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HUMPHRYS: The Government wants
women to go to work, or at least as many of them as possible. Far better
than living on benefits for all concerned, they say. But do all women
agree? The Government has been carrying out its own inquiry into into
the views of women in Britain and it will be reporting on that this coming
week. As Jo-Anne Nadler reports , the results will not be entirely welcome
to ministers.
JO-ANNE NADLER: New Labour set out to be
women friendly and in 1997, it won a majority of women's votes for the
first time.
BROWN: For lone parents looking
for work, the age of exclusion is over.
NADLER: For women and men with
or without children, work is the foundation of New Labour's welfare policy.
ALISTAIR DARLING: We're making sure that people
are better off in work than they are on benefit.
BROWN: A common obligation to work.
DARLING: We're helping people into
work.
NADLER: Labour's next generation
enjoying their bit of the conference fringe. This conference cr�che allowed
parents to attend the main event knowing the kids were safe. In government
Labour have also boosted childcare as part of a range of policies designed
to help people off welfare, stressing that work is best. But the Government's
own research will show that many women feel this emphasis on work strikes
the wrong balance between work and family life and that those who would
choose to stay at home to look after their children feel the Government
is not on their side.
Sarah Cameron was a teacher,
now she's a full-time mum. She's chosen to take time away from work to
look after her son, two year old Ewan. As a lone parent she feels a
particular responsibility.
SARAH CAMERON: Well I've got a happy secure
child, who I love being with, he loves being with me. There's plenty of
time to go back to work later, I just feel particularly in the formative
years where his personality is forming I should be with him.
DR CATHERINE HAKIM: It's certainly the case that
we don't fully recognise that being at home full time is work if you have
got children to look after and if a women gives her children to someone
else to be looked after that's counted as being in paid employment and
recognised in national statistics and so on.
BARONNES JAY: Our whole package of new
working rights gives a new security, especially to women who work part-time.
NADLER: When the Women's Minister
Baroness Jay spoke to the party's conference she was able to remind delegates
of the many measures which the Government has to taken to help working
women. It's been a comprehensive programme of action driven by New Labour's
welfare agenda and includes a Working Families Tax Credit to ensure a minimum
weekly income of two hundred pounds, the National Minimum Wage to increase
the incomes of the lowest paid, often women. The New Deal for lone parents
which requires all lone parents to attend a job advice session, developing
a National Childcare strategy and making employers increase time off for
parental leave.
BARONESS JAY: Well the primary intention
as you know is to get them to exchange benefit for working and of course
with things -..additional encouragement like the Working Families Tax Credit
and the tax credits that go towards child care, that becomes even more
of an opportunity that people want to take up.
NADLER: As part of a concerted
effort to prove a commitment to women the government has been listening
to women, consulting thirty thousand of them over six months. The findings,
to be published next week, show that very many women do not share the Treasury's
zeal for paid work. Many feel strongly that regardless of improved child
care they are the best people to look after their own children.
CAMERON: Particularly with the
introduction of the Working Families Tax Credit it seems the message is
that most mothers should be working. I just think there should be more
emphasis on mothers staying at home.
NADLER: And these values are widely
shared according to the findings in the Government's research. They show
that women want choices. If working, they want flexible arrangements to
balance work and home, and if not working they want their role as mothers
to be valued and respected. These findings will be reinforced by a study
which the Economic and Social Research Council will be publishing later
this year. This will show that two thirds of all women want to be able
to choose to take time out of work when they have children and there's
also a trend away from women putting a career ahead of family life.
HAKIM: The feminist movement has
argued for so long that women wanted jobs and should have equal rights
in the workforce that it became assumed that everybody wanted to have a
full-time job and nobody wanted to stay at home, and I think this is a
mistake we've made. The research results do show very, very clearly that
a substantial minority of women don't want to work at all, actually prefer
to be home makers and others want a much more moderate involvement in
the workforce and so I think we just have to take account of research results,
and with a government that is interested, positively interested in evidence
based policy I hope that these sorts of research results will be taken
account of.
NADLER: For families which can
manage on one income it's possible for a mother not to work but campaigners
say the Government's welfare policies mean that that choice is being denied
to women on lower incomes.
MEAVE SHERLOCK: I think the Government started
where it needed to start and it began at a fairly low base and all that
it's done in helping working families needed to be done. So I've very
pleased that that's there. I think the challenge for them now is now to
take similar measures to help those women who need to be full-time parents,
very often because their children are very young or the family has recently
been through some kind of crisis. We talked to lone mothers who feel that
they may just have been through a very difficult divorce or separation
or bereavement, or maybe they have very young children and they feel there
are times when they need to be full-time parents. I think it is important
that the Government signals that it favours that role of being a parent
just as much as it values the role of being out at work.
NADLER: Sarah and Ewen enjoy their
sessions at Southampton's bouncing babies club. For Sarah it's all part
of Ewen's pre-school education, and it's her duty to be involved. Like
all parents she's benefited from the Government's boost to Child Benefit
and supports efforts to extend child-care, but while Ewen is small she
feels there's a greater value in her caring for him than working. It's
a traditional view of motherhood which hasn't always been popular with
some women's campaigners,, but this week New Labour has been signaling
a more reassuring tone.
TONY BLAIR: To the women that can work
but because they are also mothers and carers and helpers, barely know how
to get through the day we'll give you the support to set your potential
free.
NADLER: But those mothers on benefit
who choose not to work are being sent a less encouraging message when faced
when faced with the compulsory job advice of the New Deal.
HAKIM: The compulsory interviews
certainly reinforce the message that going out to work is legitimate and
proper and what is expected of all adults, and the message that also that
staying at home and rearing your own children properly is not somehow sufficient
or socially acceptable.
SHERLOCK: What we have been very
pleased about is that we've lobbied as have others, to make sure that no-one
is going to be forced to take a job, no lone parent will be forced to take
a job against her will. So she'll be made to go in for an interview, but
if at the end of that process she decides that she wants to be with here
children she can do that, and we'll fight very hard to defend her right
to do that.
NADLER: The central aim of the
Government's welfare policy is to more payments off benefits and into work,
but as the Government's finding this approach is alienating women who choose
to stay at home. Policy makers close to Gordon Brown think these findings
are making the Government receptive to changing the balance of its policy,
and that it will be open to their calls for a baby-care benefit, which
they'll make at a seminar called by the Chancellor later this month.
NADLER: Since leaving the Cabinet
New Labour's first women's minister has been investigating how to build
on the Government's record for women and she now favours financial assistance
for mothers who stay at home.
HARMAN: We've got a Child Care
Tax Credit at the moment which will give you up to seventy pounds to help
with your child care if you're going out to work , and what I'm going to
be suggesting is that up to the first year, up to the baby is twelve months
old we say you can have that either as a Child Care Tax Credit, that seventy
pounds to help you pay for child care or you can have it as a baby tax
credit, which enables you to stay at home.
NADLER: Harman's trusted relationship
with Gordon Brown makes her a powerful advocate for such an idea, taking
it right to the heart of Government, but if she sells the case for such
a proposal others would favour extending it beyond twelve months old.
HAKIM: Finland for example has
brought in a new home care allowance for mothers of young children which
was massively popular, a hundred per cent take up rate within the first
year, and the take up rates were most spontaneous amongst working class
families, because it's amongst working class families that the amount of
money you can earn if you do go out to work is not that huge, and it's
not just a question of child care making it possible for you to go out
to work. These women could go out to work because they had wonderful day
nurseries, there was no problem at all, but what you gain from the amount
of money you can earn its value may actually be less than the value of
your time with your own children at home.
NADLER: That's certainly the calculation
which more British women are making, and one which the Government acknowledges
it should take account of., but for a government which has invested so
much energy in promoting work there's set to be resistance to helping women
to stay at home.
BARONESS JAY: We won't want to go back
to the days when for example people were campaigning at one stage to have
wages for housework. I think that sounds very out of date now.
NADLER: Sarah has made her choice.
It's a choice more women aspire to, but the Government will have to change
more than its language if it's to convince women who don't want to work
that their role matters.
HUMPHRYS: Jo-Anne Nadler reporting
there.
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