BBC On The Record - Broadcast: 20.02.00

Film: EURO FILM. A year ago the Government was telling business to prepare for the Euro. But have ministers now lost their nerve over the European Single Currency?



JONATHAN BEALE: These bottles could one day be priced in Euros. It's a currency that's been adopted by eleven countries. Euro notes and coins are already in production. The Prime Minister has said he too wants to join a successful single currency. And he's asking British companies like Bass to prepare for the day, but Tony Blair hasn't told them yet when it'll happen. PADDY ASHDOWN MP: I think this would have been well recognised by Marshall Haig as a First World War strategy. They've sent businesses into the front line to conduct this bloody battle but the generals are still back at home in the Chateau. He has the capacity to show extraordinary courage and yet on this issue which he tells us is central to his premiership he has completely failed to show the courage that is necessary to give the lead, to take the country to the position he's told us he wants us to be in. BEALE: If there is any serious debate in Government about Britain's entry into the single currency, then it's only going on here behind closed doors. A year after the Prime Minister told business to prepare for membership of the Euro, they and the wider public are still wondering when it will happen. A year ago Tony Blair suggested it could happen very quickly. The National Changeover plan gave a timetable for companies to work to. It could take Britain just three years to join the Euro after a referendum. TONY BLAIR (23 FEBRUARY 1999): What we announce today therefore is not a change of policy. It is a change of gear. If we wish to have the option of joining, we must prepare. KENNETH CLARKE MP: It was a change of gear but I'm not sure what gear they're in at the moment. But it was a reaffirmation of their policy which happened to be identical to the policy of the Conservative Party before the last election. BEALE: Some British companies have already started to work in Euros. Bass runs hotels all over the world as well as producing beer and soft drinks. In most of Europe it's had to change computers and tills. Two hundred and ninety million people in eleven EU countries will be using the new notes and coins within two years. The Government also wants British industry to begin thinking in Euros. Most of Europe after all is already counting in them. ANTHONY STERN: In the United Kingdom we will be incorporating Euro facilities in our new tills. And so the changeover should be relatively straightforward. But we won't implement that changeover until there is a clear demand in the United Kingdom for use of the Euro. And that is most likely to be after the Government has decided that it wants to put the question of the Euro in a referendum and the British people have said yes they want the Euro. BEALE: The British Chamber of Commerce is carrying out its own referendum even if the government is not. It wants to know what its one hundred and thirty thousand members think about the single currency and what they're doing to prepare. But even before the results have been counted it's clear that most business is holding back. IAN PETERS: The urgency really has gone out of preparation I think for most people in business. They prepared for the introduction of the single currency in the Euro Zone, but as far as UK entry is concerned nobody really is making the running at the moment; there's nobody putting pressure on business and quite rightly business isn't going to spend significant sums of money until it's more certain about whether we will enter or not. BEALE: Meanwhile the Tories are on the march. This week they kicked off their campaign to save the pound. The Tory Leader hopes the message will capture the public's imagination and he's enlisting all the help he can get. WILLIAM HAGUE: I'll hold it to the photographers but I'm holding it up to the people in St. Albans to remind them it's a rare thing to see a politician put his hand in his pocket and pull out a pound. It will never happen if Tony Blair wins the next election because he wants to abolish the pound BEALE: Conservatives are warning that the Government's National Changeover plan is costing the country millions of pounds. MICHAEL PORTILLO MP: I call it the hand over plan he was handing over our currency to Europe, he thought that by spending all that money he could create an impression that it was going to happen whatever people thought and they'd better get used to the idea. But actually the experience of the last year has been rather different. BEALE: The pro Euro lobby has put together a formidable team. Britain in Europe was launched four months ago. But so far they've hardly dared mention the Euro. TONY BLAIR: Once in each generation the case for Britain in Europe needs to be remade from first principles. BEALE: But Euro enthusiasts want the Prime Minister to talk more about the Single currency. ASHDOWN: They're a brave bunch of people who are doing the very best they can to counteract the argument. But I'm afraid they haven't made much success so far. If I can change the analogy, Britain in Europe reminds me a bit of Hamlet without to Prince. The act is going on but without the Prince it's meaningless. BEALE: Tony Blair and his Government's enthusiasm for the Euro seems to have changed with the seasons. In February last year when the changeover plan was unveiled the Prime Minister was said to be ready to take Britain in. But a month later not everyone was convinced. By spring even Mr Blair was said to be dithering. Come summer though he was apparently backing the Euro while the Chancellor was ruling out an imminent referendum. In the autumn the cabinet was united in support. But there were also reports of splits between the Chancellor and the Foreign Secretary. By winter the Prime Minister himself was championing the Euro. Later his Chancellor was apparently unsympathetic, while the Foreign Secretary was warning of the dangers of delaying. And by the start of this year the Trade and Industry Secretary was backing the Euro. CLARKE: I think their tactics are sometimes fairly peculiar. I don't believe a lot of the press reports about members of the Government going cool. I think they just argue amongst themselves about the tactics of getting to the desired end of a referendum to take us into the single currency if and when the conditions come right GILES RADICE MP: People say well the Foreign Secretary's saying one thing and the Secretary of State for Industry is saying another and the Chancellor is saying another and so on. There's not an absolute certainty of where the Government stands. Now I think the Government does know where it stands and it's just the way it says it needs to be agreed upon and then put over with renewed emphasis. BEALE: In Sweden the Government has also still to decide whether to sign up to the Single Currency. But unlike Britain, here the political debate is now out in the open. The Prime Minister and Finance Minister have both stated their desire to join the Euro and they've now embarked on the difficult task of persuading their party and the public. Sweden's taken the first tentative steps towards joining the Euro. It was only five years ago that people here narrowly voted to join the EU. The public is split over the single currency too. But the leading political figures believe they must now begin the task of turning around opinion BOSSE RINGHOLM: I think it's a very important step for Sweden and for my Social Democrat party of course. We have entered the European Union five years ago, and now we are ready for entering the European Monetary Union too. BEALE: Most Swedish industry too wants its economy to be in tune with the rest of Europe. Scania is one of Europe's largest truck manufacturers with factories in France and Holland. It believes a strong Euro will create an more stable economic environment in which to compete: URBAN ERDTMAN: The desire is naturally to be able to compete in the same way as our fellow competitors on the continent, which are basically working in the Euro today. And naturally in the long run we would like to have the same competitive possibilities as our major competitors on the European market. BEALE: But the Tories believe Britain's economy is doing fine with sterling: ....And they're still waiting to hear the Government present the arguments for the Euro. Polls suggest public opinion is hardening against the single currency. Even though it's yet to translate into a turnaround in Tory fortunes. PORTILLO: The government read opinion polls pretty well and they know that the vast majority of the population, moderate minded people who are not ideologically committed to a federal Europe are against scrapping the pound. The moderate majority in this country is in favour of keeping the pound and so the Government is wary of offending the moderate majority in this country and that is why they very often downplay the Euro in what they say. BEALE: The Prime Minister may find it increasingly difficult to keep his strategy on the single currency under wraps. The Conservatives are determined to make this an issue in the run up to the General election, and pro-Europeans believe if Tony Blair wants Britain to join sooner rather than later then he'll have to break his silence and start selling the single currency. ASHDOWN: I think this is the complete illogicality, indeed stupidity of the position which Labour will describe to you they're in.. They actually believe that by having the referendum beyond the election they will somehow immunise the issue of the Euro during he election. This is complete nonsense. The Tories have only got one line to play and that's the Euro and they'll play it through the election so there will have been a debate. But because the Government isn't prepared to come out and argue that case my fear is that although the Government will be returned at the next election the case for the Euro will be weaker as a consequence. All you hear today is Euro sceptics. They have the best hymns and they sing them the most loudly. CLARKE: I think the Government is deceiving itself if it thinks people are not going to regard it as an important issue. I think the Government should be more up front explaining why it is in favour of joining the single currency so long as the economic circumstances come right. RADICE: I think that the problem for the Government is that the issue will be raised during the general election and we will have to explain why it is that it might be in Britain's interests to join a single currency. We can't just assume that people will understand that as by osmosis. BEALE: Warnings that the British economy is about to be eclipsed by Euro-land are hotly disputed. The city of London is still Europe's financial capital and in the past year inward investment in Britain has increased. But campaigners for the single currency are worried about the consequences of the delaying a decision CLARKE: The Government does keep saying its preparing for a referendum early in the next parliament and that we will be asking the public to join if the economic conditions are right. And I think most businessmen I know say: well they'd better believe it I mean that had better be true. Because if anybody thought the Government had lost its nerve and was going to postpone indefinitely a decision on joining regardless of the economic circumstances, then in my opinion lots of Japanese, American , overseas and British companies would say: well I'm not investing any more serious money in manufacturing or delivering services in the United Kingdom, I'm off. ASHDOWN: What I'm clear about is, if Britain doesn't join the single currency then we will pay a very heavy price indeed; In jobs, in prosperity, in commerce and in political influence. And I greatly fear that if this argument is lost and I am much more pessimistic now than I was a year ago, then the consequences for our country will be very, very grave . If in the end Mr Blair can't grasp this nettle, then I fear, and I remember saying to him a long time ago, and he's heard if from other sources too that just as Europe has been the wreckage of previous premierships Europe will be the wreckage of this one too BEALE: For the time being though people are enjoying the good times outside the Euro. They've still to be persuaded that the single currency will be better for Britain. If Tony Blair really wants to take Britain into the Euro after the next election he'll have to start turning around public opinion soon. And he can not afford to hold a referendum without having won the argument. Supporters of the single currency are getting worried he may have left it too late.
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