BBC On The Record - Broadcast: 26.03.00

Film: Robin Aitken reports on calls for a debate on the laws on drugs use



JOHN HUMPHRYS: Governments are desperately nervous about relaxing the laws on drugs, no matter how often they're told that they're not working. This week a Report from the Police Foundation will recommend that the legislation should be reviewed and the penalties for possessing some drugs should be reduced or even taken away altogether - but, as Robin Aitken reports, it's unlikely that the politicians will take a blind bit of notice. ROBIN AITKEN: Norwich has all the ingredients that comprise the traditional English cathedral city but just beneath the surface, alongside the quaint streets and the air of peaceable, provincial normality there's another, much less comforting reality - drugs. The familiar facades conceal what has become a national concern. Picture postcard Norwich is world's away from the drugs problem of popular imaginings, but the truth is that thousands here regularly break the law by consuming illegal drugs. Drug taking has become a commonplace and that's a worry for legislators who see a widening gap between political rhetoric and what people actually do. At the Bure Centre, part of Norfolk mental Healthcare Trust, they offer psychological and psychiatric counselling to drug users. It works with the local Drug Action team - one of the multi-agency groupings central to government strategy on drugs. The main aim is to reduce illegal drug use but so far there's no evidence of that happening locally. DAPHNE RUMBALL: I think more people have moved into using heroin, using from a younger age, that's been reflected in some recent research into that population. Cocaine is gradually becoming more visible throughout the UK and those are the sort of drugs which a proportion of users find difficult to extricate themselves from without professional help. STUART MINTO: I don't know if we are failing, I think what we're doing is we're certainly identifying more young people and I think that in a sense we can turn it on its head and say if more young people are coming into contact with drug agencies and more young people are getting treatment then we're actually achieving something, because if young people are not coming into contact and we don't know about them then we can't make an impact on what they're doing. AITKEN: But what the professionals I've spoken to say is that more young people are using drugs. MINTO: And I think - I mean, being realistic, we understand that that's the situation. AITKEN: There are signs nationally that the proportion of young people using drugs has begun to level off, but the numbers are still worrying. Norwich is in no sense exceptional. Nation-wide one in twelve, twelve year olds has tried an illegal drug. Among fourteen-year-olds the figure is one in three. And nearly half of all sixteen year olds have experimented with drugs. But it's not just young people. A third of all adults have used illegal drugs at least once. And the cost to the country is huge. It's estimated crime, sickness and absenteeism caused by drugs costs the country four billion pounds a year. Labour has put an extra �237 million over three years into tackling the drugs problem. This brings the total spent each year on anti-drugs activity to �1.5 billion pounds. One tiny fraction of that sum is accounted for by PC Richard Price, the drugs education officer for the Norfolk Constabulary. PC RICHARD PRICE: Well cannabis is extremely prevalent in Norfolk. It's totally accepted amongst young people. I think there's a general acceptance amongst young people that the police have adopted a different approach and stance to dealing with cannabis users and as a consequence, for many young people, it's become as commonplace as smoking cigarettes. ACTUALITY. AITKEN: Constable Price exemplifies the new approach the police have adopted to drugs education. He thinks the "Just Say No " approach just don't work. He has concluded that in drugs education honesty is the best policy. PC PRICE: It's a little bit like being mildly drunk. If you have large amounts of cannabis it makes you a bit incoherent... AITKEN: He has few illusions that anything he says will deter youngsters from experimenting. His aim is more modest. PC PRICE: I would probably liken the approach to that of sex in schools. Sex education isn't about stopping young people having sex, 'cos they're gonna have sex whatever. It's about making sure they understand about what unwanted pregnancies, sexually transmitted diseases, safe use of condoms, and actually I see drugs as fitting in an educational sense very much into that way of thinking. Hopefully they'll choose not to take them, that's my objective. But informed decision making is probably the best I can hope for. AITKEN: But in Britain's hedonistic youth culture getting people to sign up to self denial is a tall order. This is the Time night club in Norwich.It operates a strict "zero tolerance" drugs policy; anyone caught flouting it is handed over to the police. They take all the precautions they reasonably can and yet no one is pretending that in places like this there is never any drug-taking. For many the drug of choice would be ecstasy - "E". It's estimated half a million tabs are consumed every week in Britain. Ecstasy can kill- but it's commonplace. For the police drugs like cannabis and ecstasy pose a challenge to the authority of the law. With so many apparently unconcerned about defying that authority many senior police officers speak of the need for more debate - without conceding the case for liberalisation. ASSISTANT CHIEF CONSTABLE COLIN LANGHAM-FITT: I'm absolutely convinced that most police forces would like to see the debate widened to make sure that people better understood exactly what the issues are. As you say, we police by consent. At the moment people think why are we wasting our time with soft drugs. I think if they saw some of the problems of these alleged soft drugs they wouldn't be quite so surprised that we devote some of our efforts to trying to stifle the supply of soft drugs, so-called soft drugs. AITKEN: But as the police in Norfolk admit, they don't spend a lot of time trying to find individual users. Even when they do, for first-time offenders the result is often a caution, an approach mirrored elsewhere around the country. And this de facto toleration of drug use has emboldened proponents of more liberal drug laws. On this Norwich park bench there's a modest tribute to a politician who has no inhibitions about drugs policy. At the last General Election, Howard Marks - the celebrity drug smuggler - stood against Charles Clarke, the Home Office minister on a platform of legalising cannabis. Of course it's quite easy for a maverick like him to take a stance, it's much more difficult for mainstream politicians to fashion their response to soft drugs. Even when they themselves have taken drugs - as Charles Clarke himself admitted at pre-election hustings on a platform with Howard Marks. CHARLES CLARKE (23 APRIL 1997) I did smoke cannabis two or three times in my late 'teens. I've never smoked tobacco at any time and that was one of the reasons no doubt that i didn't smoke more cannabis when I was younger. AITKEN: And Mr Clarke is not alone. MO MOWLAM MP (SUNDAY WITH ADAM BOLTON - SKY NEWS 16/1/00): I tried marijuana, didn't like it particularly, and unlike President Clinton I did inhale but it wasn't part of my life then and that's what happened. AITKEN: Labour MPs like Ian Gibson the member for Norwich North, next door to Charles Clarke's constituency, find themselves frustrated by the current approach. The government wouldn't welcome a national debate on drugs. While Mr Gibson thinks that defies commonsense. IAIN GIBSON MP: I think there ought to be a Royal Commission and I think it should happen as soon as possible. I think we'll have to think about who's on that Royal Commission, what the questions are that they're going to ask. You'd have to have young people on it themselves, you'd have to have their parents, you'd have to have all aspects of society feeding into it. It may take a long time to come through but it would be worth it in the end. And I would just about think that cannabis would be seen as not being the major problem that we think of it now. AITKEN: But it's an emotive political issue. The protection of young people is usually cited by opponents of liberalisation. Last month the Tories called for tougher sentences and "drug exclusion zones" around schools. DAVID LIDDINGTON MP: I want to see a tougher regime adopted against drugs by the police and by the courts. I think that people who at the moment are ignored ought to be cautioned; people who are cautioned probably ought to have a court appearance. And I believe that for the traffickers, particularly people who sell to children, there should be mandatory minimum prison sentences to indicate society's rejection of what they're doing. AITKEN: That sort of uncompromising stance draws on the awful consequences for individuals who do get involved in serious drug misuse. John, Gary and Jock are three of the clients at the Ferry Cross drop-in centre in Norwich, all casualties of Britain's drug culture. They've all been hooked on heroin and are now trying to break free. GARY: I haven't done smack for about five or six weeks now. I'm in the process of just not coming off it, you know what I mean, and that is hard, but I don't want to do it anymore. I hate the stuff. That's the worst drug there is as far as I'm concerned. That just kills your life, that kills everything, basically. JOHN: I'd say from the age of 14 I was doing heroin. I was chasing it. I got expelled from school over possession of heroin and I've just been out on the street you, know what I'm saying. JOCK: I've seen 13 and 14 year olds actually hitting up heroin, up at the railway tracks, that's 13, 14 year old kids. GARY: You know, sitting there cooking up with - can - coke can top and that, you know what I mean? With the needle share - sharing needles and that. There's the Aids, the Hepatitis, it's just all one shabby circle. AITKEN: The staff at the centre do what they can to help; merely getting addicts to moderate unreasonable behaviour is the first step. Dealing with the consequences of drugs has caused many of these workers to question the law on soft drugs like cannabis. RICHARD HOLGATE: I certainly think one possible avenue would be licensing which would be looking at the manufacture, the distribution, the purity the packaging, how it's used, where it's used and actually putting sanctions and controls in society to manage that. Now the problem with that argument is one group of people will say we shouldn't be using it at all and another group of people says it should be freely available because we're free citizens able to make up our own minds. We've got to find the middle ground and certainly the criminal element of it currently is ineffective. AITKEN: It could be an ecstasy tablet brought to a freelance drugs testing service in Norwich. The purpose - to see if it's real or a dangerous fake; The drug's illegal but those involved says theirs is the responsible attitude. It's this sense that the 1971 Misuse of Drugs Act has been overtaken by events that has led the Liberal Democrats to call for a standing commission on drugs to recommend new approaches. SIMON HUGHES MP: The logic of what's happening on the ground is that we're not getting it right, we're not seeing huge numbers fewer people taking drugs, we don't see young people less likely to participate or experiment, we don't see smaller amounts of drugs. We don't see fewer people making money out of drugs. So the problem, the fact that people are becoming dependent and addicted and some very damaged by drugs doesn't appear to have changed at all. In fact it's got worse. AITKEN: But people like Norfolk multiple sclerosis sufferer Thomas Yates have stimulated some fresh thinking. The government has ordered trials on the possible therapeutic use of cannabis - it's said to be highly effective in controlling the pain of MS. Such ideas are already affecting official attitudes. GIBSON: There was a case, a big case here in Norfolk last week where someone was growing plants, forty plants and got off, the judiciary got them off because they were using the plants, so they said, to treat their MS. And I think that's all part of the liberalisation that the judiciary and the police are saying, look, let's back off these smaller problems. LIDDINGTON: I think if the medical profession comes to a considered view, on the basis of careful clinical trials that a cannabis-based drug would give an effective treatment to Multiple Sclerosis then clearly there would be a very strong argument for allowing that to be used on prescription and subject to all the safeguards for the testing and registration that we have for other medicines. AITKEN: Britain's drugs laws are thirty years old. Today, for many, smoking cannabis is routine. Public attitudes have changed; time for a rethink? HOLGATE: I think there's an issue that it is easier for politicians to take a party political view. What I perceive is that more and more politicians want to have this debate but they're being held back and I think we need to remove the shackles and allow people freely to debate this issue and encourage the debate to come into the public arena. AITKEN: The Police Foundation report this week looks likely to join other past reports recommending liberalisation in the government file marked "ignore". Be that political cowardice, or be it responsible government - but there'll be a strong sense of disappointment among those who deal with the reality of drugs if another chance is missed.
NB. This transcript was typed from a transcription unit recording and not copied from an original script. Because of the possibility of mis-hearing and the difficulty, in some cases, of identifying individual speakers, the BBC cannot vouch for its accuracy.