BBC On The Record - Broadcast: 07.05.00

Film: Robin Aitken reports on the implications of the latest IRA statement on the Belfast Agreement.



JOHN HUMPHRYS: At the start of last week things were looking very bleak indeed in Northern Ireland. Today there are grounds for real hope. The IRA has gone further than ever before in promising to begin the process which MAY lead to disarmament. We still don't know whether that's going to be enough to meet the demands of those Ulster Unionists who rejected the Good Friday agreement. I'll be talking to one of their leading figures and to Sinn Fein after this report from Robin Aitken. ROBIN AITKEN: When on Thursday Bertie Ahern and Tony Blair arrived at Hillsborough there was a fair degree of cynicism in the air. The two premiers said they'd come to revive an ailing peace process; many in the media pack believed Mr Blair was conveniently absenting himself from London on Labour's black day at the polls. But the cynics were wrong. Yesterday's statement from the IRA is clearly a significant advance with the potential to open a new chapter in the peace process. BAIRBRE DE BRUIN AM: I am optimistic. I think that there's a very good chance. I welcome this development. I hope others will also welcome it. I think there's an extremely good chance. Obviously we've been down this road before and therefore there is this small part, I think in everyone, from whatever political persuasion they are that says we raised our hopes before, let's not raise them too much, but my view would be that notwithstanding that tiny core in all of us, I am very, very optimistic. DAVID ERVINE I think that whilst we have come a long way we have but a short distance to travel now to complete the course. And I advocate that we get on with it and I know that the two premiers advocate the same. AITKEN: But the week had started on a much grimmer note. On Tuesday the Gardai, the Irish police force, resumed their search for the "disappeared" - victims murdered by the IRA and buried in concealed graves. On this remote bog in County Monaghan they were looking for the body of a seventeen year old abducted and murdered by the IRA twenty-five years ago. The ghosts of Northern Ireland's bloody past were not, it seemed about to be shaken off. The legacy of the violence seemed to have wrecked the prospects of the new Northern Ireland Executive. It began work in December but was suspended in February because the IRA had failed to decommission its weapons. The leaderships of both the Sinn Fein and the Ulster Unionists had invested heavily in the Good Friday Agreement. After the executive's suspension both seemed weakened. DE BRUIN: For every time that we have engaged in bringing our people forward in taking our views out and discussing them with our membership in trying to persuade the wider republican community that this is the way forward and that we have had a slap in the face, we have lost some of that credibility. It can be rebuilt obviously and it has a strong basis, but I don't think that you can endlessly go and stretch your political constituency and take the kind of leadership moves that we have done as political leaders, if you don't see the fruits of that. AITKEN: David Trimble survived a leadership challenge but the result revealed deep divisions in his party - forty three per cent voted against him and it seemed he might be unable to overcome growing opposition to the Good Friday Agreement. Yesterday's statement from the IRA might be the lifeline he needs to reassert himself. TOMMY McKEARNEY: We have a strange case where the political future of both Trimble and Gerry Adams is closely intertwined. In some ways I think it is obvious that Sinn Fein would much prefer to deal with Trimble than the ultra right-wing of unionism. Sinn Fein has based its position on a restoration of the executive. Without an executive the Sinn Fein programme is very difficult to affect. Without Trimble there is absolutely no chance that the right wing of unionism will deal in any meaningful sense with Sinn Fein. DAVID McCLARTY: I see great parallels. David Trimble does has his difficulties within the Ulster Unionist Party but I believe those difficulties pale into insignificance compared to the difficulties that Gerry Adams has within Sinn Fein. And I believe that if he is determined to stand up to the rejectionists within Sinn Fein, then he is showing a great deal of courage. AITKEN: On Friday, Sinn Fein's leadership was seeking common ground with the Taoiseach Bertie Ahern. Gerry Adams seems to have got what he needs from the IRA. Now the Ulster Unionist leader has to sell that deal to the doubters within the Ulster Unionist Council - his party's sovereign body - who have always demanded actual weaponry to be handed over as a prerequisite for Sinn Fein in government..... MCCLARTY: We do have rejectionists, that's plain for all to see that we have rejectionists. But I believe that within the Ulster Unionist Council, who will ultimately make the decision whether to accept whatever proposal is on the table, I believe that David has a majority support within the Ulster unionist Council and if there is certainty this time that decommissioning is going to happen then I believe they will accept that. AITKEN: ` Yesterday David Trimble was still sounding a note of caution but his chances of winning his internal party critics round must have been improved greatly by these latest developments. And if he does get agreement to go back into the executive with Sinn Fein that is not an irrevocable decision. JOHN BRUTON: One must recognise that the Unionists under the Belfast Agreement if they are not satisfied at any stage in the future with progress in regard to demilitarisation or decommissioning or any issue have the power to collapse the executive. So also do the SDLP on the nationalist side. So it isn't too difficult therefore to go back in on the basis that you have got some fundamental commitments and you are awaiting full delivery of the implications of those commitments. AITKEN The streets of Northern Ireland have become accustomed to a kind of peace; the Royal Ulster Constabulary can afford to be a little more relaxed these days. But the future of the RUC is itself meshed in controversy ; the loss of its name and the distinctive cap badge have become a rallying point for opponents of the Good Friday Agreement.. But though that debate's highly charged it's likely to become submerged in the search for a wider political settlement.. MCKEARNEY: I think unionism will have to take on board the fact that they will not see a huge scale decommissioning. On the other hand the republican community, the republican leadership will have to take on board the fears of the unionist and the demands of the unionist leadership that there is a clear commitment that the war is over. AITKEN: ` The gardai have given themselves three weeks to try to find the bodies of the disappeared and bring some solace to their families. The goal Northern Ireland's politicians have set themselves - a peaceful settlement of a generations old blood feud - has at times seemed almost impossible. But this weekend is one of those occasional moments of hope which intermittently illuminate the political landscape.
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