BBC On The Record - Broadcast: 22.10.00

Film: Fuel Protests - Terry Dignan looks at what the Government is offering the motorists, farmers and road hauliers, and whether it will prove acceptable.



TERRY DIGNAN: Preparing for the first journey of the day at a haulier's depot in Huntingdon. The outlook for the economy here, as elsewhere, is bright. But not for hauliers. The Government is desperate to wipe away memories of the fuel blockades when Labour was seen as arrogant and out of touch. So Gordon Brown's dilemma is acute. If he does cut fuel taxes, the Government will be accused of doing the one thing it said it wouldn't do - give into blackmail. But do nothing and ministers again risk the wrath of hauliers, farmers - and voters. The train from Huntingdon arrives in London. On board, one of the hauliers' leaders, John Bridge. During the blockades his drivers joined protests in the capital. He's come here to join a delegation of hauliers and farmers meeting Treasury ministers. The Government blames world oil prices for the high cost of their fuel. They blame the Government, saying the public backs hauliers' complaints that more than seventy pence of every pound spent on fuel goes to the Treasury. JOHN BRIDGE: My message is very clear. It is fuel duty, fuel duty, fuel duty. That is what has got to be dealt with. And nothing else will suffice. I don't think that the Government has any option and, clearly, they risk very drastic consequences if they ignore not only our industry but now most of the people in the United Kingdom. DIGNAN: Farmers enjoy lower duties but only on red diesel used on agricultural land. Day-to-day supplies and deliveries are made by hauliers who are passing on their rising fuel costs. Here in Nottinghamshire farmers' leaders say it's a further blow to a struggling industry. So they support hauliers' demands for an immediate 15p per litre cut in diesel used by lorries. PETER GADD: Things like fertilizers, things like fuel itself. Things like animal feeding stuffs, all come to the farm by road haulage, and the potential from increased haulage costs passed back to the farmer directly, is significant in the recent rise in fuel prices. Not only haulage to the farm, but haulage away from the farm. DIGNAN: In a quiet cul-de-sac in a London suburb, a group representing motorists also lobby against high fuel prices - using the internet. They want 10p off the duty on a litre of petrol. The Conservatives promise a 3p reduction. Not enough, say these campaigners. But at least it's a start. And Labour should take heed. Failure to cut the tax could trigger another sharp fall in the party's popularity. GARRY RUSSELL: During the last direct action, the Conservatives actually took a lead which was unheard of for the past few years, for certain. And if you think in terms of the present Government, it will have an election next year, there was a huge amount of anti-Government sentiment that runs through the country, certainly from people that support the various fuel protests. DIGNAN: At John Bridge's depot no driver can be certain about his future. The economy's on course to produce fifteen billion pounds of extra tax revenue. It could pay for cuts in fuel duties. But Labour MP's say there are more important priorities. CALUM MACDONALD, MP: The Government has got a whole range of priorities that it has to try to tackle. Its got its investment programmes - massive investment programmes - in education, in health, in transport itself, in a range of public services, which the public want to see happen. It's got to try to help pensioners, its got to try to tackle the problems of the inner city. CARL EMMERSON: The fact that taxes on petrol have continued to go up but motorists are still buying fuel, means that its a very good revenue raiser for the Treasury. In total it raises about twenty-two billion pounds. That's one of the largest taxes in the UK. And it also means if the government wants to cut it, its going to be expensive, it would have to find the money from somewhere else. DIGNAN: And according to Nottingham MP Alan Simpson, it could also send the wrong message about reducing traffic pollution, said to cause global warming. While ministers appear reluctant to argue that high fuel duties are meant to deter vehicle use, this Labour politician believes taxation is a powerful weapon against global warming. ALAN SIMPSON, MP: Climate change is a direct consequence of the way we have been using recklessly, the fossil fuel resources that the planet has. And it's starting to kick back, and if we want to understand the real priorities of our time, its to begin to repair the damage and to change our whole view about transport systems. We need those revenues to pay for a huge investment in public transport infrastructures. DIGNAN: If the Chancellor decides against an across-the-board cut in fuel taxation, is there anything he can offer hauliers - and farmers and motorists. Well, there might be, because the Government is currently considering a series of measures to try to take the sting out of the issue. It could choose to cut Vehicle Excise Duty for smaller cars. Some Labour MPs also want rebates on the tax for motorists in rural areas who have little choice but to use a car. This would especially help those on low incomes. MACDONALD: We could use post codes to target help towards motorists who live in remote rural areas. So, if you lived in one of those post codes, you'd be eligible for a reduction on your Vehicle Excise Duty. SIMPSON: What do you do at the dividing line between the street that gets the concession and the street that doesn't. How do you stop people saying oh well I'm just moving across here. It just doesn't work. DIGNAN: Hauliers, too, are trying to position themselves as a special case. They say they can't compete with foreign operators who pay much lower fuel duties. An essential user rebate would allow them to claim back the difference between the UK and the Continental price of fuel. BRIDGE: In France they use a particular method whereby you can claim back on so many litres per year and there are proper forms and procedures for doing it. The bus industry has a, formula which is based on tachographs. The administrative factor is not a problem. EMMERSON: This would clearly be cheaper than cutting taxes for everybody, but it would still have quite a considerable cost. Because, as you might expect, a lot of the miles driven in the UK are done by hauliers. And also it would be very difficult to square environmentally. DIGNAN: The Government might try to meet the haulage industry halfway. The Freight Transport Association - and the farmers - want to cut both fuel and road taxes. While fearing the environmental cost of cutting fuel duty, some Labour MP's favour reducing hauliers' Vehicle Excise Duty if they minimise pollution from their engines. SIMPSON: What we have to be saying to hauliers is whether it's reduced pollution on existing engine types, or whether it's the introduction of new fuel systems altogether, the concessions have to be environmentally connected. DIGNAN: Hauliers also want Government action against unfair competition from abroad. They say foreign hauliers should be taxed when they arrive here, although under EU law British lorries would have to pay too. Stricter checks on foreign vehicles are also demanded with stiffer penalties for breaches of environmental and safety standards. SIMPSON: Well, hauliers are legitimate in claiming that it would be a real help if Britain had the same rigorous approach to both testing and taxing the most polluting of vehicles. We owe them that level playing field. DIGNAN: There's little sign yet ministers will meet hauliers' demand for cuts in duty at the pump. Concerned there are too many hauliers and not enough orders, ministers may try to restructure the industry by increasing the cost of a licence to new entrants. Yet this, and other measures, might not be enough to satisfy those who protested against high fuel taxes. Here at Westminster Gordon Brown will be taking a calculated risk if he decides to reject calls by motorists, hauliers and farmers to cut the price of fuel. Instead Mr Brown may attempt to buy off one group in particular, the hauliers, with a series of complex measures to help their industry. But if the hauliers are unimpressed will they again try to bring Britain grinding to a halt. The meeting with the minister at the Treasury lasts an hour. The hauliers leave without a promise that fuel taxes will be cut. But they're convinced the Government has got the message that other issues are of secondary importance. BRIDGE: I don't think the minister can be in any doubt whatsoever, that that is the key issue, the one issue they've got to address, and that they ignore that at their peril. JOHN STEARS: All we'd like the Government to do is come back with more talks, and listen more so when this sixty-day deadline comes up, no haulier has to go out there and protest. CLIVE HOYLAND: There's none of my colleagues here asked them to go and do it, they did it spontaneously. We can't be responsible if they act spontaneously again, if the government don't come forward with a positive solution to the problem we've presented to them. DIGNAN: Ministers are determined this time to keep the tankers moving. They've learnt from September's crisis. They don't intend allowing protestors to bring the country to a standstill. There's also a doubt over whether there's the stomach for more direct action. A package falling short of a cut in duty may be enough to buy off discontent. But it's a strategy fraught with uncertainty. MACDONALD: The Government is right to say that there will not be simply giving in, to economic blackmail. Whether its from hauliers or from any other group. I think that is absolutely the right approach to take. PETER GADD: I can see people that have got basically nothing to lose that are going out of business, because they are so frustrated while they're back in their own farms trying to struggle to keep their businesses alive. They're going to take their own individual action. RUSSELL: It just seems, incredible that the, the Government have just taken the line of how are we going to keep the fuel supplies moving, rather than what are we going to do about trying to pacify the huge amount of people that feel that fuel is too expensive. DIGNAN: The world oil markets can't be relied on to come to the Government's rescue with prices at record levels. There's growing pressure to reduce fuel duty using the extra revenue from faster economic growth. Ministers would rather spend the money on other causes. That could mean facing down those who would reject anything other than a cut in the duty on fuel.
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