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PAOLA BUONADONNA: Europe is facing a huge challenge
- the EU is accused of being divided and directionless. In the UK many
reject further integration. And in many other countries public support
for the EU is uncomfortably low. Resolving this crisis of confidence may
be impossible. This man chose to accept the mission. Romano Prodi is
the head of the Brussels machine - the President of the European Commission.
ROMANO PRODI: I am confident that, because
of this crisis, because the need of Europe that is so important, will become
more clear to citizens. Of course to get more confidence we have to deliver.
BUONADONNA: Romano Prodi has been in his
job for a year and a half. He's never had an easy time of it - dogged
by criticisms of his personal style and his vision right from the start.
Now he has to face the fact that while many people in the UK and across
Europe remain unconvinced about the European project, for the first time
in recent history European leaders too are deeply divided about the direction
the EU should take.
Last week On the Record followed Romano Prodi as he delivered his State
of the Union address to the European Parliament in Strasbourg and travelled
to London on a charm offensive. Mr Prodi is ready to take his critics
on wherever they come from. Charles Grant, Director of the Centre for
European Reform, a Europhile close to Tony Blair. Janet Bush, Director
of New Europe, campaigns against the Euro, and further integration. They
both have their criticisms of Romano Prodi.
CHARLES GRANT: The commission still has
huge powers on the single market and competition policy. But I think what
it's lost is the ability to set the agenda for the EU overall.
JANET BUSH: You get opinion polls saying
that opinion about the EU is sliding and Prodi gets in there and says,
well, I don't care about that, we have a destination, it's my destination
and it's political union, so he's a brave man, but he's desperately out
of touch with the way people think.
BUONADONNA: The last European summit in
Nice should have given Europe a fresh start. The aim was to simplify decision
making, preparing the way for more countries to join the Union. The commission
needed a success to increase its own credibility. But away from the cameras,
there were few smiles, as the talks turned into a battle of narrow national
interests, and the commission found itself sidelined.
CHARLES GRANT: Some of the key meetings
that went on at the summit, President Chirac said he didn't want little
bureaucrats like Mr Prodi in the room, so Prodi was told to leave once
or twice. And I think that is a reflection of the fact that the Commission
was not playing the major role at a summit which it would have done in
the days of Jacques Delors.
PRODI: Nice showed that you need
an honest broker, you know, that doesn't want to show power or to oppress
others but just to put things in harmony and to try to make compatible
the position of different states, from this point of view, of course, you're
helped by the agreement of the states, it's clear. You know the commission
has no interest to divide the states and to make them fighting each other
you know.
BUONADONNA: After the bitter rows of Nice,
France and Germany had to make a show of reconciliation. So last month
the German Chancellor Gerhard Shroeder and the French President Jacques
Chirac staged a friendly encounter over dinner near Strasbourg. But they
can't agree on the recipe for the future of Europe. The French are keen
to see Europe shaped by alliances between the leading nation states, the
so-called inter-governmental method. The Germans want the European Commission
and the Parliament to be at the heart of a federal structure.
President Chirac and Chancellor Shroeder reportedly enjoyed their dinner
here at Chez Philippe - no doubt thanks to the food more than the conversation.
This would seem the perfect moment for Tony Blair to try and join the
European top table, but it's not that simple. The British Government has
never found it easy to work with the French. Nor it is comfortable with
the German federal vision of Europe, enshrined in a legally binding constitution.
But the European commission likes the German model because it reinforces
its central role as the honest broker and the engine for further integration.
GRANT: Well, certainly Prodi shares
the German view that EU institutions like the Commission should have quite
a lot of power and that the governments, the so-called inter-governmental
mechanisms, should not take over the EU. But if Prodi wants to influence
this debate on the governance of Europe, with his White Paper, he's got
to be careful not to just take one particular line. The commission is
always most influential when it tries to hold the middle ground and act
as a balance between the different viewpoints.
PRODI: The Commission is necessary
in order that the nation states can express themselves in the new globalisation.
If they're not helped to co-operate they will never lead again, you know,
only through co-operation we can go back to European leadership - it doesn't
mean superstate, it doesn't mean centralising power, I'm against it, I'm
for decentralising, but there are things that we have to do together.
BUONADONNA: Each year Romano Prodi reports
with the European Parliament in Strasbourg on his plans for Europe. The
British government is happy that Mr Prodi shares its economic agenda.
But it's nervous when he says the EU must be more than a trading bloc and
develop into a political entity as many voters are suspicious of giving
up more power to the commission and the MEPs. In an ICM opinion poll of
one-thousand British people for BBC News Online, fifty-one per cent said
they were concerned about closer integration. But Mr Prodi is undeterred.
PRODI: If you don't want, you don't
integrate. I don't want to oblige anybody and I only ask in Nice, well,
if somebody doesn't want to go quick, he may go slow or even stop. If
some countries, must be a good number of countries, want to co-operate
together in order to have more speed, they can do it, and so I think that
to be outside Europe you will be outside, you know, the driving force of
history, but it's a choice.
BUSH: I don't think that
he has public opinion in Europe with him. People are very wedded to their
own identities, cultural, their own countries, their own democracies actually;
and it will take some time I think for people to want to be part of a political
entity called Europe.
BUONADONNA: The weekly meeting of the European
commission. Mr. Prodi and his nineteen colleagues are keen to lead the
agenda on economic reforms - at a summit next month they want to make it
easier for people to work wherever they want in the EU. While all countries
agree on completing the single market, many including Britain, reject his
plea that that has to involve some tax harmonisation.
PRODI: The proposals were relating
double taxation, were relating fraud fighting, were relating modernisation
of the system of added value taxation because of electronic revolution,
only that. And these are things that are necessary for the single market
and everybody wants that, but I clearly told that if you want to change
your income tax you can do it, I don't care about it, nobody cares about
it, but you know if you want to use taxation as an indirect way of making
competition in the single market I think we have to be worried and please
let us judge on facts honestly.
BUONADONNA: The President of the Commission
has only minutes to spare to catch the Eurostar to London, where he'll
be quizzed by some of his harshest critics - British journalists. But
there is some good news for Mr. Prodi.
MUSIC.
The British Government
has promised to test whether the conditions to join the Euro are right
within the first two years of re-election. While careful not to be seen
to interfere with the British debate Mr. Prodi says Britain will lose influence
if it doesn't come on board the single currency.
PRODI: I don't want to persuade
the British people to choose to enter into the Euro. I've only to demonstrate
that they've more to lose if they're out and this is a challenge, these
are facts will demonstrate it. I'm convinced that to be out you're heavily
influenced by Europe and you have no decision power, so it's a net damage
to a big country like the UK.
BUSH: I don't buy this
influence thing and I think that you have to look at the Euro for Britain
on its merits. In my view it's a big risk economically and it's worth
giving up some influence over some parts of economic policy.
BUONADONNA: This week Romano Prodi met
Tony Blair for breakfast at Number 10 to discuss next month's European
jobs summit. Mr. Prodi was the choice of the Prime Minister because of
his moderate, free market approach. But there's a feeling in Downing Street
that Mr. Prodi has become over ambitious in other fields - especially on
foreign and defence issues. Europe still speaks with two voices on foreign
matters - one is Javier Solana, based at the council of ministers, the
other is the European Commissioner Chris Patten. Mr. Prodi cannot disguise
his ambition to see the commission fully in charge of foreign policy.
GRANT: One of the problems that
some of the governments have with Prodi is that they think he's gone beyond
his remit. For example he has talked about a European Army, he said that
Nato should not use depleted uranium shells in the Balkans and he's talked
about European Foreign Policy which are not really his core competencies.
PRODI: Well I never went out of
my competence so it's simply you know their accusations are not true.
What I proposed and this proposal, very controversial, but I still stick
on it, is that you know the man who has the responsibility for defence,
you know that he's now defence and foreign policy, Mr. PESC he's called
in the European jargon, that is now outside the Commission, will be part
of the Commission in order to co-ordinate better the job. And you know
foreign policy is done in many pieces, external aid, common projects in
different countries, is made of pure classic foreign policy matters, diplomatic
matters and so on, and you can't have a competence in one spot, another
competence in another spot, all divided, it's a messy situation. It's
clear that you have to be unified and I think that this proposal was proper
that has to be carried on.
BUONADONNA: It's not often you can accuse
Romano Prodi of being underdressed but today his advisers might have suggested
a suit of armour. He's on his way to the arena of British Euro-scepticism,
the Westminster lobby. Many of the journalists he's about to meet for
lunch blame him personally for the direction Europe is taking. So we asked
Mr. Prodi what he hopes to achieve by talking to them.
PRODI: To demonstrate that Europe
is at the service of the citizens, that there are results that cannot be
got without Europe, if I do that, I think their confidence will come back.
BUONADONNA: In films, the mission is always
accomplished at the last minute. In the real world if he wants to be remembered
for his role, Romano Prodi still has three years to impose his vision of
a stronger commission at the heart of a political Union. But to do that
he'll need to win over the sceptics at Westminster, throughout Britain
and beyond.
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