BBC On The Record - Broadcast: 06.05.01

Film: Paul Wilenius reports on the prospect of the next House of Commons having fewer women MPs and, in particular, fewer Labour women MPS.



EXTRACT FROM BRIDGET JONES DIARY PAUL WILENIUS: The first resolution in Bridget Jones's diary is about love. But for some, romance takes a difference form. For Jane Griffiths it all began with her election victory four years ago. JANE GRIFFITHS MP: I shall never forget it. What we saw was the Blair's babes photo which has become a kind of icon and we will all be in there forever, and we will never be able to lose it, it's really quite difficult sometimes. WILENIUS: But that line up of more than one-hundred Labour women MPs was only possible because so many had been selected from women only shortlists. Jane, visiting a retro fashion store in Reading, hoped this would usher in a new age for women in politics. Although Labour's policies on childcare, maternity leave and the minimum wage have benefited women, with others she's having "negative thoughts" about the future. ACTUALITY: Get a bit closer. WILENIUS: But instead of getting closer to a target of more than three-hundred women in Parliament, Jane fears it's moving further away. Like our eponymous author would say, it's very, very, bad. The fictional Bridget Jones spends much of her time in places like this, worrying about the lack of men in her life. But for real life Labour women MPs, the big problem is there's are far too many. And with so few women selected in safe seats, after the next election, there's no doubt there'll be even more men back in Westminster. OONA KING MP: I'm desperately worried that after the next election there'll be fewer women, I know there will be fewer women and I know how shocking it is to me - deeply shocking, when I sit in the Chamber sometimes and there are say, forty MP's in that Chamber and I'm the only woman sitting there and I sometimes feel like going, hey, has anybody noticed, there's thirty-nine men here and one woman, you know, where are the women? WILENIUS: When it comes to politics, not everyone will be glad that Parliament, the government and Whitehall will still be awash with men. The high hopes of many women that full equality could have been achieved quickly have been swept away, partly by Labour's male dominated trade unions, which have continued to influence many selections. GLENYS KINNOCK MEP: I don't think the unions are necessarily making a concerted effort to exclude women, but what you do see is that very often the people that they will promote will be male members of the union because the unions tend to be dominated by, by men, and if their interest has been in having that kind of representation, and in many ways it's been, you know, if you like, a kind of reward for the contribution perhaps, I don't know. WILENIUS: This means the worst fears of women Labour MPs like Jane, here snatching coffee in Reading station with her assistant, have now been realised. Women only shortlists were first brought in by John Smith, but were banned by the courts before the last election. Now Jane feels the only way forward is to change the law to bring them back. Many more Labour MPs would back such a move. But there are also powerful men in the Labour movement who support such action. JOHN EDMONDS: I think the law ought to be changed, the law ought to reflect the aspirations of society and the aspiration of society I think is to have a House of Commons which about reflects the population, about half men and half women. GWYNETH DUNWOODY MP: There is a problem with changing the law because if you say the law says everybody is equal but, when I say you are not equal you are not equal, firstly it is difficult to write a law like that and secondly it is difficult to make it stick. There are still going to be vacancies and I hope they are all going to be filled by bright women. But that is a matter for those who decide to parachute in candidates at the last moment. WILENIUS: The arrival of so many women MPs like Jane in Parliament was expected to radically change the culture of Westminster and Whitehall. They travelled hopefully expecting new opportunities, through modernisation and reform of the old system. A system which many female MPs feel is male dominated, like a Boy's Club, working against women intent on making a political journey. JANE GRIFFITHS; I think there's an issue for people with families, with young children especially, but I really think that modernisation is important really for its own sake, we are a twenty-first century government, fifth largest economy in the world, but we're operating our parliament still in an eighteenth century kind of way and I think that's wrong. WILENIUS: But radical reform of the Commons has been effectively derailed. Women MPs have more difficulty than most balancing their lives. Even so they've not yet managed to convince all of their fellow Labour women that Parliament should be changed to accommodate them. DUNWOODY: Frankly when I came in here I was determined to go in anywhere where I was told women weren't allowed, because there were all these unwritten rules, you didn't go in the smoking room, you didn't do this, you didn't do that, any women that allows herself to be deflected by that is really not capable of doing the job and shouldn't be here. WILENIUS: But there are women now in the corridors of power who feel it is a great disappointment that modernisation has been so slow, and that this has led to some women quitting as MPs and is putting others off politics altogether. They believe Westminster is lagging behind other Parliaments in Britain and across the world, and the attempt to get more women interested in politics is being blocked. JOAN RUDDOCK MP: The public believe we are crazy to stay here until midnight, night after night, wearing ourselves out and frankly not making the best decisions as a consequence. KING: The Modernisation Committee came up with proposals and they have succeeded in preventing us being here through the night, the quid pro quo, 'cos you've got to remember that's all politics ever is, is that our average time now approximately, our finishing time, has gone from ten-thirty pm was the average time when we finished, to now, it's eleven-thirty pm is the average time, and that just sums up the House of Commons in a nutshell, to take a tiny step forward it took us three years to come up with a proposal that means on average we go home an hour later. WILENIUS: Harriet Harman - sacked. Mo Mowlam - sidelined and quitting. Baroness Jay - moving on. Betty Boothroyd - bowing out. ACTUALITY BETTY BOOTHROYD: Time's up. WILENIUS: The hole left by the loss of such high profile Labour women will be hard to fill, so the government's under pressure to do more to help women MPs to succeed. KINNOCK: There are certain women that have been in parliament, women like Betty Boothroyd and Mo Mowlam in particular probably, who people have identified, women have liked because they're strong, because they make their mark and they have really you know, good extrovert personalities and that's gone down very well. But there are other women, and those other women can build up I think a similar standing. And we do need them to be there. WILENIUS: If he wins the next election in a month's time, Tony Blair will come under pressure to promote more women to his Cabinet and government. Many Labour MPs are also ready to resist any moves to scrap the Women's Unit, or even abolish the post of Women's Minister. When Jane and Labour arrived in power they set up a Women's Unit to co-ordinate the work of all departments to give all women a better deal. But there's now speculation that it will be replaced with an Equalities Unit. This would be highly controversial. KINNOCK: I would feel very concerned if a decision was taken to abolish a women's unit. To assume that it isn't necessary to have units which focuses entirely on women's issues as they are represented through every department of government. Having a women's minister has always been very important for us in the Labour party, and all those dark days of Thatcherism, we used to dream of having a women's minister, and is important and we should not lose sight of the fact of having an individual with people working with her, who is able to look after women's interests. DUNWOODY: I've always believed that the best way to control what goes on in individual departments is to have some very bright woman at a very senior level watching everything that goes on, not just the things that are referred to the women's unit. And I don't believe it is a good idea to have a central unit charged with just one very narrow responsibility. WILENIUS: This is about as romantic as it gets. Dinner in the new Portcullis House Parliament building. Jane and her husband Andrew, hope Labour's love affair with the voters will survive through the delivery of popular policies. Women were decisive in giving Tony Blair and Jane victory in nineteen-ninety-seven. ACTUALITY: Bleep.... WILENIUS: But polling evidence shows that women are more likely to be dissatisfied with the government's performance than men. JESSICA ELLGOOD: Amongst men, the balance of opinion is minus seven, ie minus seven points they're more likely to be dissatisfied with the government's performance, among women it drops to minus twenty-one, it's the real difference in how the different sexes perceive the government's record. EDMONDS: Frankly the long term political dangers are for any party that looks as if its representatives are very different from the population at large. Now at the moment Labour has got less of that problem than the Tories, but Labour ought to do better. I mean it's Labour which is the reforming party, it's Labour which is trying to push forward the barriers, push them out of the way to women, so Labour has got a real leadership role here. GRIFFITHS: The hours are quite ridiculous, I cannot see why we should have to be voting on really important matters at ten, eleven, twelve o'clock, later, into the small hours sometimes. WILENIUS: Another late night for Jane, but it's not a calorie and Chardonnay fest, as seen in Bridget Jones diary. It's just being there at all hours and voting through the government's policies, which she also believes must be sensitive to the needs of women. RUDDOCK: If the government doesn't continue to deliver for women then I think of course ultimately we'll pay the political price, because women will not vote for a government that they do not see representing their interests, we've done so so far, but we need to keep doing it. KINNOCK: It is women who all the polling consistently shows that it's women, it's often young women as a recent poll showed, who are disaffected, who do feel that politicians are not speaking to them, who are not interested in their particular problems, or their particular sensitivities or interests. WILENIUS: The big question over the next month, is do the women voters still fancy Tony Blair enough to give him another term in office. But for Jane and other women Labour MPs there's more, they won't ever really be able to relax until they're sure the long term political battle for women's equality in Parliament, is finally won and a lot more men are shown the door.
NB. This transcript was typed from a transcription unit recording and not copied from an original script. Because of the possibility of mis-hearing and the difficulty, in some cases, of identifying individual speakers, the BBC cannot vouch for its accuracy.