BBC On The Record - Broadcast: 06.05.01

Film: Paola Buonadonna suggests that the Labour government may be embarrassed by the New Federalism Manifesto, drawn up by socialist MEPs, due to be discussed at the conference of European socialists in Berlin.



PAOLA BUONADONNA: Children at the Langefel Primary school in Kent are looking forward to Europe Day. On Wednesday the EU flag will be raised over schools and public buildings all over Europe in an attempt to foster a sense of shared identity. Although Europe Day is still a very new concept over here it helps to give the impression that Britain is now a fully fledged member of the European family. Tony Blair has been given an easy ride in Brussels since he came to power four years ago. And his EU colleagues have - until now - abstained from raising issues which might embarrass the Prime Minister on the eve of a general election. But if Mr Blair thinks he can ignore questions about further political integration he will have to think again. The proposals for a federal Europe which were leaked from the office of the German Chancellor, Gerhard Schroeder, earlier this week, were the first official indication of a debate which has raged in Europe for some time and which Britain will find hard to avoid. LOUIS MICHEL: The contribution of Chancellor Schroeder is very, very important because it bring us naturally to a debate, we are obliged to react to what's these positions' strengths are. Belgium its rather favourable towards these positions. MICHEL ROCARD MEP: Germany is evidently looking for some solutions to the present problems and wants to give great importance to the debate. France will have to do so, Britain will have to do so. BUONADONNA: Socialist MEPs are a powerful force in the European Parliament and the centre-left is in power in 12 out of the 15 countries of the EU. Tomorrow European socialist parties meet in Berlin for their annual conference. The British Foreign Secretary is expected to be elected president of the group. But some Socialist parties don't consider Labour to be sufficiently pro-European and Robin Cook's nomination has not been welcomed by all. PERVENCHE BERES MEP: Inside the group I must say if they, if we had to vote on this name I'm not so sure he would have been the elected president. Now that things are done and we have to try to work with it. If it can help Great Britain to move towards the mainstream in Europe, inside the socialist family I think it would be good news. GRAHAM WATSON MEP: I know that there have been moves in other socialist parties to have a different candidate as leader of the European socialists. Personally I wish Robin Cook every success but I suspect that again, the government might find this is not the right time to be putting forward a UK candidate for the presidency of an organisation which is beginning to look extremely federalist. BUONADONNA: Last week Belgian Foreign minister Louis Michel and Prime Minister Guy Verhofstadt had star billing as they launched Belgium's programme for its presidency of the European Union. They'll be running the show from July and will prepare the ground for a new round of institutional reforms. They aim to get agreement on the scale of the changes by the end of this year. Together with other founding EU nations they want Europe to become a strong political entity on the world stage. They say that will require further integration. MICHEL: The European idea means that each country will lose somewhere, a part of its decision, of its own decision capacity, that's Europe, that's the idea of Europe. That's the magic aspect of Europe in fact. BUONADONNA: The Belgian government is voicing ambitions which are widespread in continental Europe. More than half of all Socialists MEPs here at the European Parliament have signed a controversial Manifesto, calling for a 'new federalism' , which they'll present to the Berlin conference tomorrow. It will not make pleasant reading for Tony Blair and Robin Cook, with its calls for a EU Government and a written constitution. And the list of signatures won't cheer them up either. Together with former prime ministers and vice-presidents of the Parliament they'll find the names of three Labour MEPs. DAVID MARTIN MEP: I haven't been encouraged to, to sign the manifesto, but I haven't had anyone coming and saying I should remove my name or disassociate myself. So, again I think that the party is recognising these issues have to be debated at some point. They cannot continually be put on the back burner. FRANCIS MAUDE MP: The fact that the three have signed it, is very, in itself embarrassing for the government. The fact is, we know this is the direction most of them want to go. It's the direction much of the government wants to go. It's simply that they won't be honest about it, because they know they are so fundamentally out of tune with what the main stream majority of the British public want. BUONADONNA: Enjoying the limelight at last week's parliament session these are the MEPs who initiated the New Federalism manifesto. They're known as the "Spinelli Group". They want to build a fully federal union as a counterweight to the United States and to defend the European welfare state. ROCARD: What we need is a functional connection between all ourselves to be efficient where it is better and more efficient to act together than to act separately. Federalism is a good designation of that. MARTIN: If we really do want to achieve our objectives in a second term of enhancing our environmental standards, enhancing our social standards, of continuing to drive down unemployment, then that's going to require co-operation at a European level. And I equally hope, that the Government would be committed to doing that through transparent and democratic means, and that inevitably means strengthening the European institutions as well. BUONADONNA: Klaus Haensch, the former President of the European Parliament, is the most senior German Social Democrat in Brussels. He was involved in drafting both the German Chancellor's proposals and the New Federalism Manifesto. KLAUS HANSCH MEP: There are a lot of powers given to Brussels in the last ten twenty, thirty years, which shouldn't be in Brussels. And there are other powers where Brussels should be strengthened. For example, we have a common currency. We need a closer co-ordination of our fiscal and conjunctual policy. We are starting a closer co-operation in defence matters. This has to strengthen the Brussels powers too. BUONADONNA: The new federalism manifesto wants to simplify the European institutions. The MEPs want an EU Government instead of the European Commission and an EU Prime Minister rather than the European Commission President. A concept both the Government and the opposition dislike. MAUDE: The European Commission instead of becoming a Government of Europe, should actually become, which is what it was always intended to be - a Civil Service - an impartial Civil Service, which should more and more in the future, be there to service the Council of Ministers because it's the Council of Ministers who are directly accountable, back to their national parliaments and we would want to see its role being strengthened. MARTIN: If you call the European Commission the European Government or you call President Prodi the Prime Minister of Europe, that of itself doesn't mean we're arguing for more powers for those institutions or for that individual but simply saying the name should convey better what they happen to do. BUONADONNA: The manifesto also calls for a written constitution incorporating the Charter of Fundamental Rights. The MEPs say this would enable Europe "to take an additional step on the road to integration". They want to decentralise decision making to the national governments as much as possible, for instance some aspects of regional aid. But at the same time they want the EU to do more in some areas - for example in foreign policy and defence. MARTIN: On the one hand the written constitution makes it a constraint of the institutions. On the other hand it also I think enables certain powers to be transferred to the European level where appropriate because it would reassure people that this is not a one way process. MAUDE: I think a written constitution in the sense of a final disposition of the powers of the various parts of Europe, first as the nation states, isn't going to make sense because we're now in a Europe of constant adjustment. WATSON: I've no doubt that the Tories and their Euro sceptic friends will present it as a federalist plot. But in reality a constitution would actually define which powers need to be exercised in Brussels which powers are more rightly the province of national governments and I hope which powers should be reserved for local government. BUONADONNA: At the heart of the new Federalism manifesto, conceived here in Brussels, is the call for much more integration among the Eurozone countries on social and economic policies, including taxation. The introduction of the Euro notes and coins on the first of January next year will inject a new momentum in the drive towards further political union among the Eurozone countries which could lead to a two-tier Europe. What was once considered a philosophical debate is now a pressing reality. MICHEL: You cannot have an economic policy on European level if you have not a social convergence, so all the policies are linked and I think so it is necessary to try to have more common policies along those levels. MAUDE: What we actually see happening. What people get animated about and actually work for, is further centralisation, further integration and that's the direction it's going. It's the one way street towards the European Super State and we need to have something different. We need a two-way street with some powers coming back to the member states. BUONADONNA: The prospect of more power for Brussels doesn't just worry the British Government but also Denmark and Sweden. They all have a formal veto over constitutional changes. But this isn't going to deter the others from trying. HANSCH: I think what we started now is a debate on the future structure and those who started the debate really want some results and we want those results with all the member states of the European Union. If some or one or two or three exclude themselves from this mainstream that is deplorable but it will be a fact. MARTIN: There's a serious threat of a vanguard and I personally would think it very regrettable if Britain found itself out with the leaders of Europe. I do believe our future is in a European Union. We have the same problems as every other member state of the European Union, the majority of these countries are recognising that closer and closer European integration is the way to tackle their problems. I don't think we can stand aside from that and if we do, our influence in Europe will weaken considerably. BUONADONNA: Three days to go to Europe Day but the debate on the future of Europe has already started. The new federalism manifesto comes at a rather inconvenient time for the government which wants to be seen at the heart of Europe yet is desperate to avoid any embarrassment on the eve of a general election.
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