Working with William Theiss to make clothes for the original series.

Bill Theiss was a most interesting person, one of the most interesting persons I've ever met. He was quite talented but he resisted coming up with a final design, because for what ever reason it was it was like pulling teeth, but he was very creative.

It took him some months to come up with the uniform for Next Generation that was acceptable and it was more than acceptable, it was really a good design. Simple � simple to look at but difficult to manufacture.

[For the original series] I used to go to most every fitting with Gene to make our comments and make our changes which often consisted of making sure that there was less material on the girl than she had beginning with. So that's how the wardrobe came about.

Gene got a chance to get his hands on the person who was wearing the outfit, but there was no doubt about it that we went for skin exposure, we wanted to get a bigger audience and hopefully that would help us. Certainly the guest stars were usually beautiful and definitely hardly clothed. And that was all right by Gene.

I think the women liked wearing very little. I think it got them a lot of attention. I remember one actress who had a very very skimpy outfit and we all went to lunch after the first fitting and she put on a bath robe and we walked over to the cafeteria at Paramount, she removed her bathrobe and walked in in her costume which caused quite a stir and then dead silence. All eyes were on her.